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Closed Captioned & SDH
« Thread Started on Sept 7, 2006, 11:47am »
"Note: Subtitles and Captioned Subtitles more commonly known as HoH (Hard of Hearing) Subtitles are not the same as Closed Captioning."

First I'll add another term. "SDH" (Subtitled for the Deaf and Hard of hearing). Before the SDH standard was developed companies did their own thing so each used different names and styles.

- HD discs do not support Closed Captions as it's a NTSC only hack. All HD discs will use SDH.

- CC is NTSC only, PAL use a different standard, Teletext (on line 22, CC is line 21)

- There are quite a few DVDs that use the SDH standard, example Pulp Fiction Collector's Edition.

So the question is, is the CC checkbox ONLY for NTSC line 21 captions? A technology that is slowly going away for DVD, and not used on HD.
Or is the CC check box to be used to show that a disk has captions suitable for deaf and hard of hearing viewers?


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Re: Closed Captioned & SDH
« Reply #1 on Sept 7, 2006, 1:13pm »
Right now the checkbox is self explanatory. CC uses additional circuitry to pick up the CC signal. All other subtitles SDH, HoH or whatever are handled via menu choice and require nothing additional, they are therefore subs. Anything requires a program change on IVS side.

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Re: Closed Captioned & SDH
« Reply #2 on Sept 7, 2006, 4:25pm »
The technology used in DVD subtitles has not changed since the DVD Video specification was finalised - to do anything else would mean that older players wouldn't be able to display them.

The only thing that 'SDH' subtitles have that makes them distinct from 'any-old-subtitles' is the presence of things like 'knock on door' or 'phone rings' and the current speaker's name, in addition to the dialogue. It's just another marketing term for 'HOH' - there is no SDH 'standard'. Remember that subtitles aren't only for the deaf - many 'hearing' people use them as well!

Some discs provide a dialogue-only subtitle track, and a full 'audio replacement' subtitle track.
Some discs provide a dialogue-only subtitle track, and a full 'audio replacement' closed caption track.
Some discs provide a dialogue-only subtitle track, a full 'audio replacement' subtitle track and a full 'audio replacement' closed caption track.
Some discs just provide a full 'audio replacement' subtitle track.
Some discs just provide a full 'audio replacement' via closed captioning.
Some discs provide no audio transcription.

The only difference between HD/Blu-ray and DVD is that the closed caption option isn't available - whether to provide full subtitles, dialogue-only subtitles, both or none is still the studio's choice.

I suggest you research Teletext a bit further - it's a lot more complicated than 'line 22'. The reason PAL videos don't have an equivilent for CC is due to technical reasons, not studio laziness.

The logo you posted is the standard symbol that indicates the presence of an audio induction loop for hearing aids, and has absolutely nothing to do with textual transcriptions of sound. If companies are putting that logo onto DVDs, then that's a mistake on their part. Can't say I've seen it, but then I haven't really been looking...
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Re: Closed Captioned & SDH
« Reply #3 on Sept 8, 2006, 7:57am »

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Remember that subtitles aren't only for the deaf - many 'hearing' people use them as well!

Exactly! As a non-native English speaker, I often use the hard of hearing subtitles for following the dialog in absence of normal subtitles. Living in PAL land I do not have access to CC, even though I can play RC1 discs on my multi region player. Therefore it is essential for me to distinguish between CC and HoH subtitles.
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Re: Closed Captioned & SDH
« Reply #4 on Sept 10, 2006, 8:34pm »

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Exactly! As a non-native English speaker, I often use the hard of hearing subtitles for following the dialog in absence of normal subtitles. Living in PAL land I do not have access to CC, even though I can play RC1 discs on my multi region player. Therefore it is essential for me to distinguish between CC and HoH subtitles.

I had considered that there would be people that want to know if a disc had SDH but had not considered that some people would want to know if line 21 CC were there because they can't use them.

It's not fair to take away something that people are using, I had hoped to find a way to do what I thought needed doing without a program change, I don't see any way so I'll put in a feature request.

I withdraw this suggestion.
I agree that the CC check box should only be used for discs that contain line 21 CC.

I know of one disc that only has SDH but has the CC box checked (I didn't do it! ) so I'll fix that one and any others I happen to come across.
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Disc Features

Use the Features check boxes as follows:

Check Box Check the Box for These Features
Scene Selection

Menu option allowing access to individual chapters or scenes. Do not check Scene Selection for TV Series unless a Scene Selection Menu is available per episode.
Production Notes/Bios

Textual Notes as selectable menu items on the disc about the Film Production

Cast, Crew and/or Character Biographies/Filmographies
Deleted Scenes

Deleted Scenes, Alternate Scenes, Alternate endings available through a separate menu option, and not incorporated into the main feature or a documentary.
Interactive Games

Games intended for play with standard DVD Players (generally via the remote).
DVD-ROM Content

Content available only via DVD-ROM. (Check this box in addition to any other check-boxes for that content – dDo not list specifics in Other).
Closed Captioned

Closed Captioned identified by the logos:

the 4 Closed caption symbols

If one of these logos is not present, and you are unable to verify directly that the disc is Closed Captioned, then do not check Closed Captioned. should not be checked. Note: Subtitles are not the same as Closed Captioning. Note: Subtitles and Captioned Subtitles more commonly known as HoH (Hard of Hearing) Subtitles are not the same as Closed Captioning.

Photo Gallery

Photo Gallery

Still Gallery

Storyboard Gallery

Poster Art
Commentary

Audio Commentary

Text Commentary

Video Commentary
Trailers

Theatrical Trailers for the main feature or other films.

TV Spots for the main feature or other films.
Featurettes

Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it.

Interviews
Multi-angle

Any multi-angle content (accessed via the Angle button on your remote)
Music Videos

Music videos for specific songs which are not incorporated into the main feature or a documentary.
THX Certified

Main features that are THX certified, shown by the logo:

Use the Other free text box for Extras that do not have a specific indicator. Do not re-list extras here that are already indicated with the check-boxes. If you're unsure whether a particular Extra should be listed here, it probably shouldn't be.

Examples of valid Other Features:

Examples of invalid Other Feature entries:

Bonus Feature Films

The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules.

Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes.

Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:

Create the profile for the main feature in line with the standard Contribution Rules with the title of the Bonus Feature Film added to the Other Features field.

Create a child profile for the "Bonus Feature Film" using the individual UPC if available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not available. When creating a child profile, do not remove the "Bonus Feature Film" Disc ID from the main profile.

When profiling the "Bonus Feature Film", only profile the data associated with that film. Any features associated with the Main Feature belong to the Main Feature profile.

Add the additional profile to the Main Profile as a child profile via the Box Set button.

Cover Images: Use the cover image from the Main Feature profile's packaging. Exception: If the "Bonus Feature Film" is individually packaged, use the cover images from that packaging.

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