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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #2 on Aug 23, 2006, 12:54pm »
I agree with this approach; however there should also be a note that the "as per the cover" overview is in error. Optionally we could add the "as per the cover" overview as well.
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #3 on Aug 23, 2006, 1:05pm »
I'd advocate to put both overviews in the profile:
the one for the wrong movie, to actually have what's on the cover and avoid confusing users looking at their DVD prior to watching the movie (yes, those DO exist ) and have them correct it accordingly
and then, with a short introductory note,
the correct overview, taken from a third party source if available or made up by the contributor himself.
I think that's the only way to avoid an unnecessary ping-pong situation and would (should) satisfy everyone: those who want correct data, and those who want what's on the cover, no matter how blatantly incorrect.
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #4 on Aug 23, 2006, 1:48pm »
My only concern here is just how common is this problem are we trying to create a Rule for 10 DVD's out 300,000. And by doing this are we not opening up a hole for users to exploit for their own purposes.
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #5 on Aug 23, 2006, 2:39pm »
It doesn't matter how many DVDs of this kind are out there. We know they exist, so this needs to be clarified.
And I don't know what hole this should open up for exploitation. Please explain.
The cover overview is either for the movie at hand, or it isn't. I can hardly argue that fact reasonably, and only if the overview is not describing the movie behind the cover but still titled by the cover can I add or substitute it with an overview that actually fits.
This has nothing to do with finding the overview appropriate for the movie.
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #6 on Aug 23, 2006, 2:43pm »
I see many users trying to use thsi type of thing to exploit simple error in an Overview to try to manipulate the Db with their own Overview. Cynical...yes, but the users in the community have given me much cause for cynicism...my apologies.
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #7 on Aug 23, 2006, 3:31pm »
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I see many users.....
No more than the one or two users who currently attempt this activity....the majority don't either care to, wish to, or have the time to "manipulate the Db with their own Overview".
OK, so you'll never totally prevent deliberate mischief, whatever rules are put in place. That's why we have the voting system, to incorporate a modicum of peer review in the process.
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #8 on Aug 24, 2006, 7:39am »
Skip, I think your concern is covered by Darxon's suggestion.
What he meant is, to first put the Overview from the cover in the appropriate field, exactly as it is on the cover. Then, if proven to be for the wrong movie, you add the correct overview below the one from the cover, possibly with an explanatory note. I think this would avoid people exploiting this, at least in the way you described.
Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #9 on Aug 24, 2006, 8:39am »
I don't see the point in storing the overview for the wrong movie at all. Simply state this as an exception.
BTW: Why is the sentence about writing your own overview, if there is no overview on the cover, removed from the proposal. In my opinion that is a big mistake.
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #10 on Aug 24, 2006, 10:14am »
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BTW: Why is the sentence about writing your own overview, if there is no overview on the cover, removed from the proposal. In my opinion that is a big mistake.
It hasn't been removed, just moved up (see #4 in the list).
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #11 on Aug 24, 2006, 12:00pm »
Doug:
I think perhaps to avoid problems we might need to add something to the effect that IF an Overview has been written do not relace it. This might help limit the potential editing wars over who wrote the better Overview.
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #12 on Aug 24, 2006, 6:57pm »
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I don't see the point in storing the overview for the wrong movie at all. Simply state this as an exception.
BTW: Why is the sentence about writing your own overview, if there is no overview on the cover, removed from the proposal. In my opinion that is a big mistake.
I agree completely.
If however, the decision is to put both in, I would put the correct one first followed by the wrong one with a preface that it is incorrect.
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #13 on Aug 25, 2006, 6:57pm »
I can see a persuasive argument that goes along the lines we put the "wrong" overview first, followed by a more representative overview. I have some sympathy with Skipnet50 in this regard that (to quote him) "This might help limit the potential editing wars over who wrote the better Overview".
Also, I understood that the basic tenet of our data input was that we are trying to be "AS CREDITED" as far as we possibly can?
Therefore I coming round to the view (but with reservations) that it would be logical to put the incorrect overview in first and put a more representaive overview in second with a qualifying note. However, I confess that I am still uncomfortable with the idea that we should knowingly put incorrect data into the database.
It looks to me like this is an argument between:
1. blindly following the packaging, even if we can all agree that it is wrong, but does follow the prime directive of "as credited"....
2. putting the collective intelligence of the DVDP user community to good use, and getting good data into the dB
As my mathematician colleagues might say......"let the can of worms be open"
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #14 on Aug 25, 2006, 8:11pm »
It could easily be argued that any other data on the box that is wrong, e.g., Rating, subtitles, audio tracks, Features, A/R, we always correct the information. I'm not sure why we would make an exception for the Overview.
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #16 on Aug 25, 2006, 10:52pm »
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Also, I understood that the basic tenet of our data input was that we are trying to be "AS CREDITED" as far as we possibly can?
BTW, "as credited" has only ever been applied to the actual film credits, not to the DVD box!
Well, that depends on how literally you take the word "credited". We are asked to enter the overview from the box exactly as written. Technically, of course, the overview is not a credit, but it's still a case of "enter exactly what you see".
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #17 on Aug 26, 2006, 6:14am »
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It could easily be argued that any other data on the box that is wrong, e.g., Rating, subtitles, audio tracks, Features, A/R, we always correct the information. I'm not sure why we would make an exception for the Overview.
That's a fair point, but we correct the incorrect cover data by replacing it with correct data from the DVD itself. Hence, the DVD could almost be considered as a "second source" for the cover information (and yes I know that the DVD is really the "primary source", blah blah blah )
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Re: Overview for the wrong movie « Reply #18 on Aug 26, 2006, 7:57am »
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That's a fair point, but we correct the incorrect cover data by replacing it with correct data from the DVD itself. Hence, the DVD could almost be considered as a "second source" for the cover information (and yes I know that the DVD is really the "primary source", blah blah blah )
This is not the case with the overview.
Agreed... we do replace incorrect data with the correct data from the DVD itself.
The problem here is that the overview on the DVD cover is the only fully recognised source for the overview information. There is no summary of the film contained within the DVD itself so that leaves the overview open to correction by anyone who feels they have to correct it, and therefore leaves the wording open to their own interpretation.
This would only going to lead to ping-ponging contributions, with no-one knowing how to vote because everybody would be 'technically' correct!
IMHO it would be fine to correct errors within an overview, so long as the reasons were documented within the contribution notes for all to see, and I quite like the idea of 2 overviews in cases where the overview on the cover is completely incorrect, but even this would lead to interpretation.
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Overviews and Easter Eggs
Overviews
Overviews should match the back of the DVD
case exactly, including capitalization of words exactly as it is shown
on the back of the case. If words are highlighted in italic or bold on
the case, then identify them with 'single quotation' marks. Exception: If the entire overview uses an uppercase font, enter the overview using standard capitilization rules.Enter
the Overview from the cover exactly as it appears, including
capitalization of words exactly as it is shown on the back of the case.
If words are highlighted in italic or bold within the
overview, then identify them with 'single quotation' marks. Exception:
If the entire overview uses an uppercase font, enter the overview using
standard capitalization rules.
Do not use media
reviews as an Overview (media quotes within the body of an Overview are
not considered reviews). When there is no overview on the case, use the
following sources for the Overview. These are listed in their preferred
order and must be referenced as the source in your contribution notes:
The text from a previous release, of the same Movie. This may be from any region/locality with the same language.
Story text from the Film's official website.
A short text synopsis for that Title from a DVD retailer website.
Write your own short Overview, using a format similar to Overviews on other titles.
Never include the following items in overviews:
Taglines
Reviews (unless they are incorporated into the text of the overview on the case)
Extra features
Hyperlinks or other HTML
For multi-language cases, use only the language of the DVD's locality.
When
there is no overview on the case, add a simple, self-written overview
of 1-2 paragraphs. Do not include spoilers and always match the
overview language to the profile's locality.
For Concert / Music Videos, you may include a listing of Song titles and length, if available.
Easter Eggs
Easter
Eggs are extra features hidden on the disc and not accessible through
an obvious menu option. Be sure to match language of the Easter eggs to
the profile's locality.
Never include:
Extra features accessible through normal menu options.
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